Alexis Denisof has come a long way since playing Wesley Wyndam-Pryce on Joss Whedon’s cult classic Buffy the Vampire Slayer and spin-off series Angel. In fact, he’s come so far that he’s back where he started – working with Joss Whedon on his new microbudget Shakespeare adaptation, Much Ado About Nothing, playing the impetuous, sardonic Benedick, who carries on a “merry war” of wits with the similarly cynical Beatrice (Amy Acker). Next up, Denisof can be seen running behind a life-size replica of Jabba’s Sail Barge in this year’s Course of the Force as a celebrity runner. But before he can carry the legendary lightsaber for a quarter-mile, I sat down with Denisof to discuss his meaty Much Ado role, his DCU animation work, and what’s next for the multitalented leading man.
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Alexis Denihof: This is how we shot the movie! Exactly what it sounded like!
Nerdist: Yeah, Amy [Acker] was saying you guys had to contend with quite a bit of lawn mowing.
AD: Lawn mowing â thatâs what happens when youâre near a golf course!
N: Demolition, helicoptersâ¦
AD: Night terrors. Joss didnât know that he was on the flight path for Santa Monica Airport until we shot outside his house!
N: The more you know – itâs a fun little factoid that can go in the IMDB trivia section. So first and foremost, I want to say that I really enjoyed the film, and I really enjoyed you in particular.
AD: Oh, thank you.
N: Benedick is certainly not a cake walk of a role, but itâs a lot of fun.
AD: It is a lot of fun â itâs a meaty part. It comes with a responsibility that I tried to duck. (laughs)
N: Much like Benedick himself.
AD: I mean, thereâve been a lot of great Benedicks on stage and screen, so thereâs a certain intimidation, but I tried to forget all of that and figure out what I could do. What could I bring? What hadnât I seen? So I started with, what does he do? Heâs a soldier. So I really wanted, I felt like so often in Shakespeareâs plays and movies, the guys, to me, sort of constantly appear as poets, you know? As these extraordinarily sophisticated, poetic creatures, and I just wanted to see a guy. Like, could you be a guy, just a guyâs guy in a Shakespeare play and get away with it? Just a little bit of that prick that we all kind of know and have seen, and you really think more of yourself than you actually are, dude. Calm down, youâre not as hot as you think.
And then he falls in love, and heâs just a clown. It turns out he canât handle feelings at all, and now we know why heâs been avoiding them for so long, because they make him into a complete idiot. And itâs only when he commits to the feelings and he commits to the woman that a real man does appear, and I felt like that was the story, that was the journey that I wanted to bring to this, but always going back to what does this guy do? Heâs a soldier, and at the end of the day, that was where I tried to place him.
Also I would say that this is not one of Shakespeareâs poetic plays. This is in prose, not iambic pentameter. Weâre not speaking in rhyming couplets; there isnât a specified meter and rhythm to the language. We are free to riff, and put our own rhythms and our own juju on it, and I think we did that.
N: I think it was certainly very effective. Thereâs always a certain amount of trepidation that goes into things, when youâre sitting down to see Shakespeare on film, and theyâre keeping the original language intact, itâs a bit of a challenge.
AD: I know, youâre like, âOh, god, here we go! How am I going to stay awake?â
N: Yeah! Itâs a bit jarring, the first time you hear it, but then immediately, you just roll with it â this is whatâs happening. I think you guys did a good job of making it feel very naturalistic, despite obviously being Shakespearean English.
AD: Thatâs what we were hoping for, and what I felt watching it, and what everybody has said to me that has seen it, that after two or three minutes, they had no idea it was Shakespeare. They just understood it, and even more, by the end had enjoyed it, and were completely surprised by that, that they understood and enjoyed a Shakespeare play, so thatâs the greatest compliment we could get, because if youâre a Shakespeare expert, and you would prefer your plays performed in the authentic Elizabethan style (and who knows what that really is), then this is definitely going to be a fresh interpretation. But I think that itâll win you over. Itâs cool, itâs sexy, itâs hip, and itâs something you havenât seen before, and for that alone, I think itâs worthwhile.
N: One of the things that I really enjoyed about it is that itâs a film, so itâs beautifully shot, very elegantly staged, but it also has that sensibility of a play. Part and parcel, I would imagine, because of the compact shooting schedule, but it has that sort of crackling energy that I think really propels the language.
AD: Yeah, there was a necessity, as Joss said to me when he pitched this insane idea to me, the last thing he said was, âWeâre starting in a couple of weeks and since we only have 12 days, youâd better learn your lines.â So I did! I learned them backwards and forwards and knowing that I didnât want to waste any takes on getting lines wrong, because there would only be a couple of takes.
But there was a necessity for a longer, more flowing shooting style, but that was also a conscious decision on his part, because he did want to capture performances, he did want to capture relationships as they were happening, as the interactions were going on between the speaking and even the non-speaking characters in the room, to let all of that come through the lens, and thereâs a lot to look at in each frame. Thereâs a lot to watch. I think this is as close to theater as film – as Iâve seen film get, in a great way. If you just set up a camera and shoot a play, frankly, itâs just boring as hell!
N: Yes! (laughs)
AD: There is nothing, I mean â itâs more tedious than reading Shakespeare in a high school English class, is watching a play thatâs been videotaped from the 15th row of the theater.
N: Exactly. Youâve got the dad in the audience with his little flip-cam. Itâs painful.
AD: Oh, god, yes! So we all know that deal, so when I say that this is close to theater, itâs not that! Itâs just that you get the energy and the sparkle and the roughness and even some of the little mistakes. Thereâs a scene â do you want to hear specifics?
N: Sure!
AD: Thereâs a moment, Fran [Kranz] and I are wrestling on the bed, and Iâm teasing him, because he seems to be falling in love, and as we finished wrestling, we knocked the bedside table that has Jossâs daughterâs musical ballerina figure, and it started playing â a completely impromptu moment, it was an accident, but we stopped mid-sentence, stared at the thing, and I could telepathically hear us asking each other, âWhat do you think? Do we just wait?â And then both of us are just saying, âYeah, letâs wait.â And then it stops playing, and we start speaking again. Itâs just one of those happy accidents that actually makes the scene look real. Itâs just what people would do!
N: You wouldnât just keep going on if you just knocked off this ballerina. It would be weird not to acknowledge it.
AD: Yeah, and it would have been a shame to say âCut! Cut! I knocked the thing, it screwed me up! Letâs start over. Wah, wah, wah!â
N: One of the things, the language in this â and especially your interactions with Amy as Beatrice â youâre like two fencers, you have these barbs that youâre throwing back and forth, with these lightning quick ripostes.
AD: Well put!
N: Itâs got this real sense of movement to it, but what I also enjoyed was how much physical comedy was in there as well. In particular, the scene where youâre out in the garden, while Don Pedro and Leonato and Claudio all are obviously trying to taunt you with their knowledge – that seemed like a lot of fun to just really get in there.
AD: Yes â beating the fish. That was a hoot to film, and it makes me smile when I watch it. We definitely felt free to bring the physicality to it, in the same way that, going back to a stage production, a lot of what you see in a great play is how people are moving and reacting physically with each other. Thatâs what brings it to life. The actorâs instrument is partly voice but also partly body and you donât want to have one without the other. I think weâre all inhabiting these scenes in a very natural and authentic way, and the little physical things that go along with that are part of what helped tell the story, and theyâre part of what helped people understand whatâs going on.
Because occasionally, you will hear a word where you go, âWhat the fuck? Iâve got to dig my dictionary out for that.â But if youâre feeling the sense of what the actors are doing in the way that they tell the story physically and the way that the scene has been flowing, then you donât freak out. You go, âI think I know what heâs getting at.â And you just move on.
We did have a lot of fun with the physicality of it. Thereâs a point in the play where you feel like you just have to let it rip a little, and it is a comedy. It is romantic comedy, so we went for it, you know? The ideas are kind of preposterous. Two people being tricked into thinking the other one loves them, and therefore they start eyeing each other up, and eventually decide that yes, Iâm going to fall in love because I hear that you like me â itâs kind of true, in a very juvenile way, but itâs also kind of absurd. And so we took our cue from Shakespeare himself, and felt like, I think itâs OK for us to get a little absurd.
N: Exactly.
AD: And eventually weâre going to arrive at Dogberry. If you havenât allowed people some real laughs, and some really zany stuff before you meet Dogberry, then itâs hard to get on board and love how crazy he is, and how wrong everything that heâs doing is, but how wonderfully wrong it is, how funny it is. Thatâs where we were at with the kind of physical, the slapstick of it all.
N: This film ostensibly got started in the Shakespeare brunches that weâve all heard so much about. Did you have any sense of what the film was going to be?
AD: Iâm happy to say I had no clue! Had I known that he had either had us in mind for these roles all along, which I have subsequently been told, after we shot itâIâm very glad I didnât know that! Had I known that it was going to be a theatrical release, again â very glad I didnât know that, because both of those would have hindered my relaxation, my ability to just say, âWTF! Letâs do this thing!â With 12 days, you canât really do anything but say âWTF,â and let it rip. Thereâs no time.
N: No time to psych yourself out.
AD: No. And even if you leave a scene, wondering, âGod, I think I could do something else with it,â if Joss gives you the nod, you just trust and move on. Heâs never been wrong.
N: What was your experience with Shakespeare prior to this? Had you done much Shakespeare?
AD: I had experience with Shakespeare. Iâve always liked Shakespeare, even before, going way back, I had always liked Shakespeare. I studied acting at the London Academy of Music and Dramatic Art, LAMDA, so I had a classical background there. Then after three years there, my first professional theater job was a production of Hamlet at the Royal Shakespeare Company in England, so I was honored to be a part of that, and to watch the extraordinary Mark Rylance rehearse and perform the role of Hamlet every day. I learned so much watching his utter mastery of not just acting, but of Shakespeare, and also his freedom with it; his ability to inhabit it in his own way.
From there I had a couple of other run-ins with Shakespeare, either on stage or on film, over in Britain. And then not much once I was here, itâs not nearly so frequently attempted in America, but Joss is a lover of the Bard, and he concocted these readings that go back even to his childhood, and so he wanted to start those up again because he remembered how much he enjoyed it as a kid, and Iâm so glad he did. Iâm so glad he did not because of this movie, although this is a wonderful fruit that is borne of those readings, but just for the readings themselves. They were such good fellowship, and such a fun way to fool around with Shakespeare, and such a great way to have an afternoon with your friends.
N: These are pretty daunting roles, but when you have a low-pressure scenario, itâs really awesome.
AD: Exactly. Thank you for supporting the movie! Itâs just a little indie, so we appreciate you giving it the attention.
N: Getting off topic slightly, who do I need to bribe to get a Flash movie fast tracked with you as Mirror Master? Because I really enjoyed the voiceover work in the DC animated universe.
AD: Oh, thank you! That was cool! I loved that. I would love to do more. They havenât called. I was like, âWhat happened? Did I blow it?â
N: I think theyâre waiting for Man of Steel. Once the Justice League hype starts, weâll be sure to slip your name into the Dream Cast article.
AD: Could you please? Let them know that Iâm still alive, because I was wanting to â Iâm a fan, Iâm a fanboy, so to me, that was so cool. To be in there, it was almost hard to do, because it was like, âWait a minute, weâre doing this? This is for real? This is happening right now! This is going to be⦠Iâm doing it!â It was awesome! It was kind of a fun, interesting, intriguing character, too. So thank you â I think you complimented me.
N: I did!
AD: Even if you didnât, Iâm going to pretend you did.
N: So what else, apart from this, do you have coming down the pipeline?
AD: I need a job! My trouble is, if Joss doesnât callâ¦I donât know. I would love it if Sandy Rivers came back at some point in the final season of How I Met Your Mother, because I adore that character.
N: Heâs a real hoot!
AD: Heâs so â heâs such a libertine, this lecherous news anchor â so that would be fun. I did what I thought was a very cool, genre web series, called âH+.â
N: Oh yeah! Is that the Tom Hanks produced one?
AD: No, this is Brian Singer.
N: I knew it was a big name.
AD: Itâs a big name. Warners online physically produced it through his company, or financed it, and it was distributed through Google and YouTube, and I just thought that was so freakinâ cool, and so interesting, and so current, and so relevant. A non-linear narrative, so you can piece it together how you want. The production values were phenomenal, and I loved the themes. Theyâre working on season two.
N: Oh, awesome!
AD: Iâm looking forward to that coming back. Otherwise, Iâve got a couple of little things that Iâm going to do for myself; a couple of little “home grown” things. Otherwise, I need this movie to do well, so that somebody gives me a job!
N: The reviews Iâve seen so far, I think itâs going to be A-OK! A little off topic again, so bear with me: what would be inside your idea burrito?
AD: Hmm⦠probably Joss and Amy!!
N: (laughs) To scale, or are they shrunk down?
AD: To scale â and I might wiggle in with them!
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Joss Whedon’s Much Ado About Nothing is playing in select theaters now. You can also read out interviews with Clark Gregg and Nathan Fillion to make even more ado about this movie.
I had to drive over an hour to get to a theater showing it and it was worth every second!
Everyone was brilliant and there were so many wonderful little gems and great nods to the “audience” that they didn’t even know they would have. I can’t wait to add it to my home collection.
This movie was brilliantly done, and once again Joss shows what raw talent can accomplish with a dearth of budget.
And, how does Amy Acker keep getting MORE gorgeous as time goes on? SPILL YOUR SECRETS, Amy!!!!!
If I was still teaching high school English, “Much Ado” would definitely be on my syllabus for a film study of Shakespeare. If you like a good rom-com, this is a must see.