Neal Adams is arguably the world’s greatest living superhero artist, having depicted the most iconic champions of both the DC and Marvel Universes in unforgettable runs on books like Green Lantern/Green Arrow, Batman, and X-Men. With the exception of his one-shot Superman vs. Muhammad Ali, however, Adams hasn’t tackled DC’s flagship character… until now. In the new six-issue Superman: The Coming of the Supermen, the veteran artist shows that his gift for dynamic realism is as acute as ever, in page after page and panel after power-packed panel. I chatted with Adams about how the series came to be, his approach to depicting the Last Son of Krypton, and what’s next for him…
Nerdist: How long have you had the idea for this book?
Neal Adams: I think there had been concepts that were gestating in my mind for a long, long time. When I presented it to Jim Lee a couple of years ago, he thought it was a pretty good idea. He wanted us to be involved together and make sure the story tracked and all the rest of it. So heâs made a contribution, he and his guys have made a contribution to make sure everything tracks and does what we want it to do. But essentially itâs all based on Jack Kirby when you come right down to it.
You could say everybodyâs a fan of Jack Kirby. I would say Iâm a fan of Jack Kirby. Iâm a fan of Jack Kirby the man. And if you just view this reasonably, Jack Kirby made Marvel Comics by creating the Marvel Universe. Then he stepped over to DC and he created a whole new universe. He created Darkseid and Apokolips and the New Gods. He created all this stuff. It just seemed to flow out of him like magic. Even things that people laughed at in the beginning turned out to be terrific characters.
For example, Orionâs scooter. He puts his feet on it and he scoots around on it. Itâs got these handlebars. That looks like a Segwayâthose Segways that people ride around on in the street. The two-wheeled Segway. Itâs a Segway, only it flies in the air. He rides a Segway. Well, thatâs 15Â years before the Segway was invented. You know what Iâm saying? So heâs done all of this fantastic stuff, and for whatever reason weâre not taking advantage of it.
I mean, we just had a Superman movie where we had Zod. We recycled Zod from the first two Superman movies. Why didnât we do Darkseid and all these characters? That seems like the much more logical choice. We havenât done it because we havenât explored it properly and we havenât given Jack Kirby his due. One of the things Iâm also trying to do with this series is say, âHey guys, in case you missed it, this is Jack Kirbyâs stuff. And we should be doing it like crazy. Letâs do it.â So Iâm showing everybody my appreciation of Jack Kirby, almost more than anything else.
That is not to say that there isnât a terrific story, that there arenât new characters. Thatâs not to say we canât explore Superman and some of the characters from Krypton. I mean, there are so many things in here that are tremendous fun, and itâs all packed into six issues. I donât know that I should have packed in into six issues, but there you go.
N: How about the idea of giving Clark Kent an adopted son in the first issue? What was the motivation behind that?
NA: Well, the thing that you have to remember is, not everything that you see is the way it is. Because, you know, thatâs the nature of a good story. If you understood everything from the first chapter, you wouldnât read the rest of the chapters. So if I tell you ahead of time that, yes, that is the kind of kid that Superman might adopt, he also might be something else. And that little dog he lugs around, that could be a little dog, or it could be something else. And that creature that seems to stand guard over them could just be some alien creature that dropped in for a cup of tea, or it could be something else. So thereâs lots of mysteries that have been set out there for you to figure out and to follow and to see what happens by the end of the story. Because it is just the set-up for you, and Iâm here to fool you. [Laughs.]
N: Thank you for giving Superman his briefs back in this series.
NA: Yeah. It was a hardcore fight inside of me, but I thought, âYou know, I really like Jerry Siegel and Joe Shusterâs Superman.â Although I think theyâre illogical. I guess if I wanted to go to the can and I didnât want to reveal my zipper, I could pull those down and I could pull down the zipper and I could take a leak. So they do make a certain amount of sense. So heâs got a tunic and heâs got that over it and the color blends and Iâve got a belt that works with it. So Iâm trying to give women a Superman they can fall in love with, and guys a Superman they can appreciate and think of as a friend. Who actually goes to the gym. Of course, itâs Supermanâs gym. I mean, itâs just hard to believe a guy with all those muscles doesnât go to the gym, you know what I mean? Itâs just a very special gym. [Laughs.]
N: Youâve said before that when it comes to Superman, you value the âmanâ more than the âsuper.â
NA: Well, I certainly donât think of him as a god. And I donât like that part of it. I donât like people using him like a god because they want to beat out some other super character in another comic book. I think thatâs a wrong direction. Because he is, after all, an evolved person who evolved on another planet. But he didnât turn into a god, because thereâs no part of nature that makes you do that. There may be terrible things in nature that make you have thicker skin, that cause you to be able to fly or levitate, and then use gravity in such a way that you seem to be falling but youâre really flying. Or there may be other things that happen to your eyes. But to make you into a god just doesnât make any sense. Itâs totally illogical. And it puts the character so far away from you that you canât believe somebody would fall in love with him. You canât believe that you could think of him as a friend. I donât like that. So I donât think itâs good. I mean, itâs enough that Superman is the first and best comic book superhero that ever existed in the history of the word. And that Batman is the first comic book hero who doesnât have any superpower. All the other superheroes lie between themâthe alpha and omega of comic books. But that is what itâs meant to be and not more.
N: Outside of Joe Shuster, are there any other Superman artists that youâve especially admired?
NA: I think theyâre all fine. It was Curt Swan that did it for the longest period of time, and he did a terrific Superman. But beyond that, other people have done it⦠I mean, I like this guy Neal Adams who did Superman vs. Muhammad Ali. [Laughs.]
N: A classic!
NA: Thatâs right. [Laughs.] I donât get involved in criticizing or extolling really good artists who do their job. Thatâs for other people. People may criticize artists or they may think that this guyâs fantastic. To me, itâs the outstanding people, people like Jack Kirby, that really make a difference, that are very, very important. I think that Curt Swan, when he did Superman for the longest time, became the definitive Superman artist, and everybody got it. That made him very, very special in the annals of comic books. Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster, who created Superman, are singularly important. You would have to put Jim Lee into the category that brought us comic books that would sell millions of copies because of the style of the artist, and he still is preeminent in the comic book business. There are just people who rise above the natural fold of things. Otherwise, everybodyâs a yeoman artist as far as Iâm concerned. And thatâs fine. I have nothing bad to say. Iâve nothing good to say. They are people who are in my business and I appreciate it and I would always extend a hand to help them. I would not extend a hand to criticize them.
N: Youâve also recently created a new series of covers for DCâ¦
NA: Yeah, those 28Â covers; isnât that insane? Unbelievable. [Laughs.] They called me up and they said, âNeal, weâd like you to do 28Â coversâlegendary covers by this legendary artist. We just want you to redo them in your style.â
I said, âThat sounds okay. Who is this legendary artist?â
They said, âYou!â
âAre you out of your mind? Really? Are you people nuts?â
They said, âNo, no. This is what weâll do⦠Weâll have you draw the same layout, only youâll change the characters. So instead of Superman throwing Batman off a roof itâll be Wonder Woman throwing Superman off a roof. And then weâll let different people ink them.â
I said, âOkay, that sounds like the dumbest idea Iâve ever heard. Letâs do it. I never heard such a bad idea since Superman vs. Muhammad Ali. Weâll do it.â [Laughs.]â
They started to let inkers ink it. Then the pencillers said, âHow come we donât get a shot at these?â Then Walt Simonson wants a cover and Jim Lee wants to do a cover. All these artists want to do covers and theyâre leaving the inkers out. They stepped over their dead bodies and decided to ink everything. So all these covers have great artists inking them, and theyâre all very interesting from every different point of view. It went from 25Â to 28, and theyâre not going to be able to have them all out until the middle of next month. Thatâs how many there are. You could do five a week and youâve still got half a month left. I really canât explain it but theyâre very popular. I was at a store yesterday, and people were picking their favorites and coming up and having me sign themâhalf a dozen [of] Joker over the mansion, Batman chasing Harlequin. Thatâs the most popular one. Then the Jim Lee one is popular. Itâs funny and fantastic.
N: Itâs heartening to think that these covers will introduce a new generation not only to your work but to the tradition of dynamic realism that youâre art’s exemplified.
NA: Or being conned into buying more comic books than they should realistically purchase in a given week. Think about that, too. You gotta buy five more comic books this week just to get those stupid covers. Unbelievable.
N: Is it too soon to say whatâs next for you?
NA: I canât tell you exactly. Iâm loathe to drop any hints. Iâm trying to think of a way to drop you a hint without actually dropping a hint. Letâs just stick to this, okay. We wonât talk about things like Harley Quinns and Deadmen.
N: Ha. Okay. Fair enough.
NA: I didnât say anything! Do you agree? Nothing was said. [Laughs.]
Images: DC Entertainment
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